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Recycling betrayal.

  • 7th Jul, 2009 at 1:59 AM
legiron2

I run a lab on a shoestring. I've just built a 30C incubator out of a large polystyrene box someone sent samples in, and a heat mat and controller designed for a vivarium for reptiles. Cost about thirty quid, and the thermometer cost a fiver. To buy a purpose-built incubator would have cost me a couple of thousand. I use a lot of plastic tubing which I buy at a local model shop, far cheaper than anything in the lab catalogues. I recycled an old piece of floorboard into the base for a stirring mechanism and the corner of a window frame into a motor mount for another. I re-use little glass bottles and anything else I can get. I've even rummaged in the junk piles of other labs and taken away stuff they didn't want because it was a bit rusty. Some emery and a dash of Hammerite and it looks new.

Water bath? A plastic box from Tesco for £1.50 and a fishtank heater left over from when I used to keep tropical fish. Lab catalogue cost... £500+. My cost, £1.50 and a bit of a rummage.

I love recycling. So I have no objection to putting glass, tins and plastic in a separate box. If, as usually happens, the box gets a bit full of bottles, no problem. Every supermarket has a whole row of big bins and I have to go there anyway for food. So I take a bag, preferably of plastic bottles because a) they don't weigh much and b) the bin for those has a big opening you can empty the bag into, rather than the hairy holes you have to push glass or tins through one at a time in some twisted sexual fantasy way. It's no problem.

Then I find I've gone to all this trouble only to have the whole lot dumped in a Chinese landfill where Chinese poor people risk their health and their bodies to re-sort the stuff I've already sorted in case I accidentally threw away something useful.

What a complete and total waste of time. If it can't really be usefully recycled, say so. Green glass, I know, gets ground up and used in road surfacing. Clear glass can be easily re-used. But plastic bottles aren't so easy to reuse. But they could be. Just melt them into blocks and use them as lifetime-guarantee garden bricks. I'm going to do that myself. Lightweight bricks that won't degrade are ideal for putting under steps and building low walls. I'm making a couple of moulds to put either side of my chimenea. I don't care what the blocks look like because they'll be plastered over but a serious business could add colour and even texture, with no great effort. It wouldn't be that hard, with a little application of the mind, to make them look just like bricks. And they won't crumble with age.

Tip: If, like me, you aren't too good at moving heavy things and not very keen on trying, get an aluminium chimenea. Just don't touch it for a long time after it's been fired up.

Paper is building up in piles because it's not economically viable to recycle it into new paper. So shred it and compost it. I do that with credit card bills and the like. Shred it, put it in the compost and pour water on it. Go on, criminals, pick the identity out of that. Or recycle it into firelighters. Or use it to fire up the chimenea  Or use it to fire up a power station. It's recently come from trees so you can claim 'carbon neutral' but even so, you'd better arm the train drivers and guards because the loonies will still come out every full moon and get in the way.

No, it all goes off to destroy the health of seriously poor people. Real ones, not ones wearing Nikes and carrying iPods and bloated on burgers. Real, thin, shoeless people whose experience of music consists of banging on discarded Teflon pans because the Teflon has worn off and that means it takes effort to clean them, so out they go.

We are putting a lot of effort into getting waste ready for recycling and we are betrayed. We think we are doing something good and noble but it's a waste of our time and it's damaging to the health of real poor people. The Gorgon and his nose-goblins crow about how they have reduced poverty in the UK and it's worse than just plain bollocks. It's a snide and downright evil swipe at the real poor. All they have done is give more money to their pets. Those on the street have no vote because they have no fixed abode to send the voting card to. They are ignored.

Even then, those on the street are not as badly off as the death's door poor who are sorting the rubbish we have already so piously sorted. Those on British streets can, should they be willing to relinquish their last shred of self-respect, beg. Or if they have no wish for independent life at all, they can give themselves up to the Righteous and become pets. The rubbish-sorters cannot beg because there is nobody to beg from. They cannot give in to the Righteous because the Righteous already own them. These poor have nowhere left to go.

I'd really like to recycle. It's in my genes. I don't like waste. But this travesty of recycling is not what I had in mind. What we have is fortnightly real-bin collections because it fits EU diktat. We can't have too much landfill here because of EU diktat. It's not being solved by recycling. It's being solved by a pretend recycling that simply puts the landfill somewhere else. Using big ships to move it and big cranes and big lorries to the extent that we'd actually be better off - financially as well as environmentally - if it all stayed here.

When I was a kid, most bottles would get you a penny back when you took them back to the shop empty. We used to collect them up and get enough for some sweets. The companies paid to get the bottles back so you can bet they were re-used. Milk came in glass bottles and the milkman picked up the empties. They were washed and refilled. Vegetables came in paper bags, you bought as much as you needed, not the amount dictated by the pack size. There were no plastic prepacks. Bread had no packaging at all and wasn't pre-sliced. Meat came in greaseproof paper wrapped in, often, newspaper. Chips from the chip shop had one layer of clean paper and were then wrapped with newspaper to keep them hot. No boxes, no plastic trays. Everything was recycled.

Why did it all stop?

Because of the same Righteous who insist we waste too much.

You can't have newspaper around your chips because it's unhygienic. Who became sick as a result of that? Nobody. Your vegetables must be vaccuum wrapped because it's unhygienic otherwise. Who died of cucumber or tomato poisoning? Nobody. Re-using milk bottles risks transmissible disease. Evidence? None.

Create the problem. Exaggerate the problem. Give the solution and you have control. All this packaging, all the non-re-usable stuff, was put in place by the Righteous. To solve probems that weren't there. To gain control.

Now they use the packaging that they created to blame us for producing too much waste. Another browbeating, more control.

So we have to 'recycle'. But they don't know how to deal with it so they ship it off to Chinese landfill. Then they get their hysterical drones to attack power stations and re-enact Ronnie Biggs' escapades to distract our attention from it.

Every Green out there has been taken for a sucker. Recycling used to happen all the time. Your sort stopped it.

Greens, consider. It was your own controllers who put a stop to it. You are being used to slap down people who are doing what your masters decreed.

Suckers.




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[info]fatbigot wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 03:50 (UTC)
Recyling comes in two forms, the natural and the economic.

Material from plants can always be recycled by composting. That is the only natural form of recycling.

Everything else is a commodity. If it can be re-used in a cost-effective way, it makes sense to do so. If it cannot be re-used in a cost-effective way it must be disposed of, be that by landfill or incineration.

The idea that everything must be re-used is absurd, it assumes both that everything can be turned into something of potential use and that there is an infinite market for that new product. Human inventiveness determines the former and human demand determines the latter. Neither can be assumed.

For local authorities to store warehouses full of newspapers whilst operating massive composting exercises of green waste is completely barmy. Grass clippings only compost efficiently if mixed with quite substantial quantities of dry material, 50-50 is a good rule of thumb. Mow the grass in a public park, collect the clippings and you can use a good few hundredweight of shredded newspaper. Birds two, stone one.
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 04:32 (UTC)
"Every Green out there has been taken for a sucker. "

Except for the ones at the top, of course. Never wonder if they know full well what they are doing.

Of course they do. It's power, and they like it....

JuliaM (http://thylacosmilus.blogspot.com/)
[info]manwiddicombe.blogspot.com wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 07:31 (UTC)
Recycling Tip*
Instead of using credit card bills as kindling on your chimenea have you considered getting one of the paper log making presses? The compacted paper will burn for longer giving you extra heat to melt your plastics .. .. ..



*you probably already do this so forgive my impertinence ;)
[info]leg_iron wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 22:22 (UTC)
Re: Recycling Tip*
Actually, I don't have one of those log-making things. I'll look into it because it would be a good way to dispose of old copies of commercial info too. The stuff I can't put in the bin or there'd be no more work coming my way!
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 07:32 (UTC)
If you pee on the shredded paper it will compost quicker and your recycling even more.Use pee on your compost anyway as it will add fertiliser and save on flushing toilets.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 22:23 (UTC)
Pee is reserved for the rhubarb. It seems to appreciate the alcohol content.
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 07:54 (UTC)
Recycling Con
You're right of course. I remember the same things that you do. Buying only what you need, taking back empties, collecting rainwater in a water butt (the perfect hair conditioner), composting, etc...

I saw a programme on the poor in India where the people were recycling bits of old electronic equipment, the poisons from these components are killing people!

One thing you can't accuse this government of, is logical thinking!

Imagine how many quangoes you would put out of business doing the logical thing?

Sue
http://muffledvociferation.blogspot.com/
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 10:20 (UTC)
Ah, but you forget that all the big ships carting this stuff off to China are going back there anyway - they are the ones that bring nearly everything we buy. Of course if we still had a decent manufacturing industry then it might be a different matter..

When I was a kid the local Co-op kept the returned empties round the back in a very insecure compound. Some of us used to steal them back and claim our pennies more than once!

Unfortunately most people now regard the likes of you and me as "rather strange" - why would you want to spend time making something from odd bits & pieces? Why don't you just buy a new one? My 22 year old car has a failing gearbox bearing - an new one is only going to be £15 or so, but I'm faced with the dilemma of spending time and money to replace it, rather than just claim my £2000 and get some thing newer. The thing is I DON'T WANT something newer! I prefer things I can work on, and it's probably cost less to buy and run for the last 8 years than I would lose on depreciation the moment I drove a new one.

There is also the argument that keeping an older car running is actually better for the environment than making new ones. It's well maintained, and passes the emissions test with ease. All new cars are stuffed full of high technology, and the manufacture of these components is far from eco friendly.

microdave.

[info]leg_iron wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 22:25 (UTC)
Good point - the ships going back need ballast because we don't make anything to sell any more. Nothing the Chinese want to buy, and nothing they could sell at ports on the route.

I wonder how high 'junk' rates on our export scale?
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 13:28 (UTC)
The main reason more stuff was recycled and repaired years ago (I'm only in my late 30s and I can remember the Corona lemonade bottles - 10p refund if you found one - brilliant!) is that 'stuff' cost more then in comparison to the cost of labour. So it made sense to repair your household appliances many times, because a new one would cost a large proportion of your wages. My father (a farmer) used to build his barns from recycled building materials - old telegraph poles, street lamps, scrap metal, second hand corrugated tin and timber. It was cheaper to employ a gang of 3 men to build with this material than to buy a new barn.

Nowadays the cost of labour is such it makes no sense to repair old stuff, because by the time you take into account the labour cost, its cheaper to buy a new one. Hence the scenes down the local tip in every town - hordes of people chucking away perfectly good stuff because they don't want it any more, and you can't sell it because new is so cheap. A friend's father runs a house clearance business. People die, and the family want the house cleared. They can't be bothered to do it themselves, so they PAY him to clear it all. He can sell some of the better furniture and items, but most ends up in a skip. What a waste.

So if recycling is ever to be real again ie make financial sense, rather than be some sort of religious rite on the altar of environmentalism, there will have to be a rebalancing of the cost of capital vs labour. This effectively means we all have to become poorer, as our incomes will buy less stuff. I suspect this will happen in the not too distant future anyway because the West is living on borrowed money from the East, who will eventually want to spend said money on themselves. So the economic shift of wealth from West to East will make us poorer, and thereby increase our propensity to recycle. Because we won't be able to afford not to.
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 14:16 (UTC)
Bottles
When I was a teenager, (some 25 years ago...) I worked part time in a pub. Back then it was one of my duties to sort all the bottles out at the end of each shift & put them back in the crates to be loaded on the brewery wagon to be returned. As I recall all beer, wine, softdrinks bottles were returned to be washed & reused - only spirit bottles were thrown away.
Now I am told by my local landlord that NO bottles at all are returned. Furthermore our local council will charge the licencee a fee to have a bottlebank on the premises & the local council tip considers these bottles to be 'business waste' so charges a fee also.
The landlady, being environmentally friendly & cost consious, has to fill her car every few days & drive to the local supermarket to put bottles in the bottlebank. The energy used to melt down & remake bottles must far exceed the energy required to sterilize & reuse.
In Denmark the govt passed a law that all beer bottles have to be a specific size, all bottles are then collected (the truck is going back to the depot anyway) & reused, each brewery doesn't care whose bottles they wash & use because they are all the same (labels come off in the wash)isn't this a far better way of doing things?
But of course it's easier to make a recycling target, then achieve it, rather than actually achieving the real goal & saving the planet!!
[info]inotify.blogspot.com wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 15:13 (UTC)
Good post leg-iron - anonymous above is right: recycling and repairing items and materials will only happen once again when our incomes become vastly smaller than the costs of making the goods and buying the materials, like they were a few decades ago.

Everything about current recycling, climate change, global warming, biofuels is a con.

I work with the petrochemical industry and I can assure you, the very thought of adding 5% ethanol to gasoline as a "green" policy is laughable.

When you burn down vast areas of agricultural land to make way for growing maize for bioethanol (ignore the GM option for now) and then process and distill this (where does the energy come from?), then transport this (where does the energy come from?) then alter refinery macro-economics to satisfy a distillate that can accomodate a 5% bio-ethanol additive to work effectively in combustion engines without any side effects...

It's ridiculous... but the journalists are too thick, the population are too thick and easily led and we have this monstrosity of green crap, and of course, increased taxes (surprise surprise!)

And as if it couldn't get any worse, the (green) nazis finally invade England - here:

http://inotify.blogspot.com/2009/07/die-grune-nationalsozialistische.html

[info]leg_iron wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 22:29 (UTC)
I'd like to see those green Nazis visit a bottle recycling plant. I'm keen on re-using glass because it's easy but it takes a lot of energy to melt and re-mould it all.

The conflict of recycling vs. energy use would be fun to watch.
[info]wh00ps.wordpress.com wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 16:46 (UTC)
I'm shocked about the bottles, i was last behind a bar (and under it) was in 2002 and all the mixer bottles went back. Not the likes of smurf ice and wjd though. Good post, and subject matter close to my heart.
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 19:25 (UTC)
recycling
I've realised that I am incredibly green. I only drink real ale at the pub and the barrels are all collected and reused. The glasses are washed and reused. No waste whatsoever. Plus I walk there (or occasionally get the bus if it's raining).

And yet I'm being taxed 60odd% for being so green. I am a sucker after all.

Gordon
(Anonymous) wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 21:16 (UTC)
I recycled my car today,offered it on freecycle as i cant afford to tax,insure and run it.Got 30 offers for an old vw golf.Otherwise it would have been breakers yard.Dont dump it freecycle it.Other people can do things with junk
[info]otherbloggersstuff.blogspot.com wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 04:08 (UTC)
green con
The main problem is that recycling targets are measured at the point of collection so nobody really cares what happens to it afterwards because the targets have already been met.
It goes to China for landfill as ballast in return for all those goodies they sell us.
Newspaper. As a Scout in the 70s we permenantly collected newspapers but had to store it in some garages because some months it had no value while in others it became worthwhile to ship and sell it.

Metals. As a child one of my weekly household jobs was to bash down flat all the tin cans which were put in a box and collected by someone.

Clothes. These used to be re-cycled at jumble sales, these are probably illegal now but were put out of business by car boot sales getting the 'high end ' stuff. Even the real rubbish that the poorest of the poor did not want was collected as a job lot by rag & bones merchants.

Milk bottles, we used to collect the metal foil tops for the Blind charity ( and they were delivered in electric powered vehicles, how green was that ! ).

Plastic bottles. There was a report recently of a commercially viable way of turning these into soft(ish) kerbstones, dunno what happened to that.

A former boss faced with paying per bag to dispose of his "industrial waste" asked for green re-cycling bin since 99% of his waste was just paper, he was told that Council recycling targets only applied to households so no, he could not ( ie they don't care about recycling, just tartgets ).

In a blog somewhere else moaning about having to sort my domestic waste I asked " if they are so bloody keen why don't they just ship it off to some poor country and stimulate their economy by paying poor people to sort it ? "
Someone must have read it.

Glass bottles, a nearby town has a well established glass collecting round which is well supported, it is run by a private company who, presumably, make a profit out of it. I have to drive to the recycle bank now and then for them to be smashed up, why is that ?
(Anonymous) wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 08:03 (UTC)
Really? How often does this happen then?
I'm not saying that this has never happened, but where are the references? Which local authorities are exporting their recycling? What percentage does this represent? Not my local authority apparently:

http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=c1158944

and neither to Magpie, who do part of our recycling, and help set up various other local authority schemes. They're even more fanatical about recycling than you....

http://www.magpie.coop/about.php

Cheers,

Tim.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 22:32 (UTC)
Re: Really? How often does this happen then?
Um... you're reading a blog, not a scientific journal.

There are newspaper reports with pictures, documentaries with video, but I don't have links handy. I don't keep files of this stuff.

When I come across them, I'll post them.

It's not universal, no, but it's far more common than it should be.
(Anonymous) wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 10:37 (UTC)
OH here

I always used to spend £30K buying new Audi A6's every three years that my children would inevitably vomit on, shit over or scratch.

Someone gave me an old Toyota Estima 8 seater last year (I have six kids). It is 14 years old and an absolute joy to work on. Spanners, oil, scraped knuckles, insulating tape. Proper stuff. And £2 bills from Ebay if something gives up the ghost. Cost me £5 in parts to get through an MOT last week and I ENJOY working on it. Like hunting or fishing, changing the brake pads is MANS work.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 22:34 (UTC)
I used to like getting in the engine compartment of an old 1800 Princess. There was plenty of room to work on it, and the machinery was logical and everything was fixable.

I don't have one now. Last time I looked under a bonnet, all I saw was plastic. No coil, distributor or carburettor. I wouldn't know where to start.
(Anonymous) wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 15:04 (UTC)
What actually happens
Interesting post.

If I visit my local dump during core working hours, there are loads and loads of different skips - wood goes in one, metal in another, carboard in a third, rubble in another, all the different colours of glass, etc etc.

Ah, but if I visit at about 1pm each day, when the lorry is there picking up, the cry is "Everything in the back of the truck! Everything! No sorting needed, everything in the truck!".

I guess I know what happens to all those skips when nobody's looking. Don't you?
[info]maisy_babe wrote:
10th Jul, 2009 09:36 (UTC)
Damn good
I know I'm rather small, but I am very cute. Talking of cute, that article was 'the business'. When you think about it, it was a recycling economy. You have really hit the nail on the head. That article should be given more prominence. I'm sure plenty of people read this blog, but a huge number don't and they need to be made aware. Especially youngsters like me for example. The status quo is all youngsters know. They are blissfully unaware of nespapers and chips, 2d on a returned bottle and the like. Damn fine piece of writing.
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