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Controlling the fat disease.

  • 5th Jul, 2009 at 10:06 PM
legiron2

An epidemic is a rapidly-spreading disease. You can have an epidemic of flu. You can have an epidemic of Shigella dysentery. You can have an epidemic of Ebola.

You can't get much of an epidemic out of E. coli O157 because it's food borne. It's not too easy to transmit that directly between people. Put another way, it's very easy to avoid transmission.

So if it's an epidemic you have to be able to catch it and spread it to others. Now, I've hung around with some seriously fat blokes and I show no signs of bursting buttons or straining belt. That's because obesity is not catching. There is no such thing as an 'obesity epidemic'.

It's not connected to how rich you are either. It is entirely down to how much you eat vs. how much you do. That's really all there is to it. Therefore, in low income areas, you'd expect people to be thin because a) they don't have money to splurge on pies and b) they'll be working really hard to make enough to live. You'd expect fat rich people because a) they can afford double helpings of pie and b) they don't have to work so hard. Which is exactly the opposite of what the fat police are claiming.

"These areas show what happens in poor areas when you have a generation of young parents who don't know how to cook because there was no domestic science taught at school," Mr Fry said.

"In many of these cases we are talking about single mothers trying to live on low incomes by using cheap convenience foods."

Don't know how to cook because they weren't taught in school? Didn't their parents give them any sort of clue in that regard? Did Delia Smith write all those books in vain? Second hand shops are full of cookery books.

As to the cheap convenience foods - the clue is in the name. Convenience. The idea behind those foods was that where a single person - or a couple where both partners work - they'll sometimes get home too tired to cook anything. When they get home they can bung something in the microwave. The 'convenience' was not intended to mean 'home all day but can't be arsed, so have a microwaved burger and some microwaved chips then sit in front of the playstation and shut up'.

I bought a marked-down lettuce in Tesco today for 11p. It'll last a couple of days before the remnants get too floppy to eat and end up in the compost. I bought a small pack of smoked wild Alaskan salmon for four quid. Extravagant but I don't buy it often and as there's just me I can afford a small pack of luxury once in a while. I bought a big pack of king prawns for three quid. There are cheaper options and I often buy them, but today I fancied something a bit posh and it's too hot for cooked stuff. So let's see, that's seven pounds and eleven pence. Put with cucumber, peppers, cheese that was already in the fridge, home-made salad dressing and it's a meal I couldn't finish. I have half left so I can have it again tomorrow for lunch. And that's eating the posh stuff. Oh, and I didn't get a single class of domestic science in school. I did woodwork and metalwork instead. The funny thing is, I can use a cooker but I have no clue how to build one.

Two posh meals for seven quid. I've done better - I once picked up a whole dressed crab in Tesco for seven pence. The trick is to get there just as the fish counter or meat counter is closing and snap up the stuff they can't put back on the counter tomorrow. The mark-downs are amazing. There are also cheaper versions of all the posh foods - try mackerel for some really cheap fish, and frying steak rather than sirloin.

So it has nothing to do with the 'cheapness' of the convenience foods. It has everything to do with being idle layabouts who'd rather put a box in a microwave than peel an onion or chop some mushrooms. Is that aspect addressed? Surprisingly enough, it's not even mentioned.

Can't we dispel this myth that the boxed foods are cheap? Most of the contents of those boxes consist of air. You pay for the processing and the packaging. You can make most of it yourself more cheaply. The first time you make your own curry it looks expensive but you then have the spices already for the next time. The best way to make pizza is to buy the pizza bases cheap, and freeze them. A tube of tomato puree keeps for ages, cheese is cheap, pepperoni can be bought in little packets, it takes no time at all to fry up some cheap chicken bits (don't buy the bits, buy a piece and chop it up, unless you like paying someone else to do something that takes a couple of minutes). And you can grow your own fresh herbs and even tomatoes in a pot on the windowsill. All you have to do is water them.

Convenience foods are not the cheap option. They are the convenient option. Throwing money at people too lazy to cook won't make them cook. They'll just buy more frozen chips and pies. Along with more cigarettes and booze. Five quid or so for twenty fags, over a pound a can for Special Brew, and you expect me to believe they 'can't afford good food'? Crap. They can't be bothered preparing it. Giving them more free cash will not change that.

I have experienced zero money. I've been down to the level of eating roadkill (tips: Don't bother with crow. Yeuk. Rabbits are a lucky find. Hedgehogs, wrap them in mud and leave them in the fire until the mud dries hard and cracks. It takes all the spines out). Having no money didn't make me fat. It had rather the opposite effect. It didn't make me smoke more - you won't believe how thin you can make a roll-up when you have to spin out the occasional half-ounce. It didn't make me drink at all. I've never been so sober for so long.

So what did being skint do to me? It made me work. It made me work to get out of there and the memory of it keeps me working so I won't have to go back there. There is no correlation between being poor and being fat. There is no correlation between being poor and smoking and drinking like it's going out of style.

There is a very big correlation between all three things and paying people to stay home and do nothing.

You really want to stop the obesity 'epidemic'? Stop paying people to get fat.

Instead, we have this from one Colin Waine:

He urged ministers to consider radical options to tackle obesity levels via higher taxes on foods with high levels of fat or salt.

Tax on food. Oh, that'll help. I'll just buy the low salt option and a bag of salt. So will everyone else. Three kilos of salt cost just over a pound and it keeps for ever. In fact, I'd better stock up in case they tax that too. I sense a black market in salt approaching.

And let's not forget the NHS, which we are to pay for but must never use:

The problem is expected to cripple NHS resources, with spending linked to obesity predicted to triple in less than a decade, and to rise sevenfold by 2050.

That's a future in which every single person in the country looks like Bernard Manning. We won't have to worry about rising sea levels. We'll have to worry about the country sinking under the weight. Is that really likely? Really? When nobody is smoking or drinking and we're all living on tofu and mung beans, what will the NHS do then?

Scaremongering. They've dealt with smokers, drinkers are under the thumb and now it's the turn of anyone who eats. A breathing tax is surely on the way, based on CO2 emissions every time you exhale.

The last paragraph of the article says it all:

Gillian Merron, the public health minister, said the health of the nation was improving by many measures, with increased life expectancy and reduced deaths from smoking but that many areas needed to do more to tackle some "unacceptable" variations.

Unacceptable variations. Some people are not conforming to the grey uniformity this vicious Righteous tart wants. We are not yet the Borg but we're on the way. She reveals the true nature of all these 'health directives' in those two words.

It's not about health. It never was. It is, and always was, about control. Control for the sake of control. Setting limits and forcing people to follow them for no other reason than that they can. There is no logic or research behind any of those recommended daily allowances. They are a means of control. That's it. There is no reason for this control other than the control itself. Power for its own sake.

Ingsoc are here, and have been for some time. They are just becoming a little more obvious than they used to be.
 

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[info]mr_pete wrote:
5th Jul, 2009 22:41 (UTC)
In the long term yes, it may be control - however in the short term, it is, I believe, about dumbing down society.

Allotments are being withdrawn, Nigella and Delia are a lot less prevalent (indeed, Saturday Kitchen is being shortened, no?) - so there is little impetus for the general populace to find encourage to "cook" - let alone healthily.

"And lo, the great unwashed were hungry, and turned to the supermarket" - and then we'll have more fuel "crises", and more EU policies to limit farming/fishing etc...."and then they turned to the state"...

My neighbour has started growing his own veg, and keeping chickens for eggs - not a bad plan, although obviously seasonal (as it used to be) it'll be an interesting challenge to feed all of them - but good luck to him.

Sticks and stones and all that. Or maybe a snare?
[info]leg_iron wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 01:14 (UTC)
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 08:14 (UTC)
"And lo, the great unwashed were hungry, and turned to the supermarket" - and then we'll have more fuel "crises", and more EU policies to limit farming/fishing etc...."and then they turned to the state"...



“In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, make us your slaves, but feed us.” - Fyodor Dostoevsky
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 00:35 (UTC)
handy hint
Roadkill, run over a pheasant and take it home to eat = Poaching; drive behind your mate who runs over a pheasant, stop and retrieve carcass, that's OK !
[info]leg_iron wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 01:15 (UTC)
Re: handy hint
I wasn't driving at the time. Roadkill was a matter of being beside the right roads in the early hours.

Oh, and getting to it before the crows do!
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 00:46 (UTC)
where are the fatties ?
Where are all these obese people anyway ?
What is this weeks made up figure, 30% ? I'm told there are lots of fatties in Lincolnshire but they don't seem t live around here unless they all stay indoors pigging out on the pies.

Mind you, there are a few grotesquely fat round blobby people looking like Mr Men, perhaps they scew the figures.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 01:17 (UTC)
Re: where are the fatties ?
You don't have to be fat to be obese any more. All you need is a bit of a paunch.

Or muscles. According to that BMI index, all bodybuilders weigh more than they should for their height. So they all count too.
[info]fatbigot wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 01:06 (UTC)
I wonder how many of these feckless idiots there really are. And how many of them live exclusively on bowel-clogging processed crap? I wouldn't mind betting it's a very tiny number indeed.

It seems unrealistic to me to expect those too lazy or too stupid to cook simple meals today to change tomorrow. The former would have to change their attitude (always a struggle) the latter would have to grow brains they don't have now (even more of a struggle).

These exercises in nagging occur only because the government is stupid enough to pay the naggers to do it. They achieve nothing and should be top of the list for the chop.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 01:23 (UTC)
There aren't all that many and they're concentrated in certain places because that's where the Righteous put them. Create the problem, exaggerate the problem, solve the 'problem' with greater control on everyone.

If someone wants to live on pie and chips, it's no problem as far as I'm concerned. If someone can't be bothered making a meal and would rather bung a box of something in the microwave, no problem.

Taxing me to pay for it and then controlling what I can and can't do because of it... that's the problem.

The government set up these nagging parties, so the naggers will then tell the government they have to have more control over the minutiae of life, which is what they were set up for in the first place. So the government won't shut them down because they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do.

When you say 'chop', I hope you're meaning that in a mediaeval axe kind of way.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 08:13 (UTC)
'Shigella' is one of those names that really manages to conjure up an image of the disease.

Are you old enough to remember that the Spitting Image credits included a 'Candida Julian-Jones'? Candida? That's how the posh express either their ignorance or a surreptitious hatred for their kids.

BTW dont't eat roadkill male pheasants out of season, they taste vile. Shoot them in season instead.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 08:52 (UTC)
My pet theory to control obesity would be to have a sliding scale of tax rates for people depending on their fatness. Everyone would be defaulted to the highest rate, and you would have to prove (via medical examination) that you were lighter to get the lower rate for the next tax year.

I know this wouldn't affect all those on benefits, but perhaps once the principle is established we could move on to differential benefit rates too. After all, if you're that fat, you don't need so much money to buy food really do you?
[info]leg_iron wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 02:28 (UTC)
Well, you see, I don't want to control it.

Some people are happy being fat. No problem.

What I don't want to do is pay people to be fat, nor to pay people to whine about it.

If you earn enough to get fat and you like to be fat, then be fat. As long as I'm not being charged for the pie supply, I don't care.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 09:36 (UTC)
Myself and Mrs Nobhead are unacceptably variant, shall we say. We can't help it though, its just that we are really good cooks and love to eat. As it is pointed out above it costs a lot less to eat like a king than a pauper these days so fuck em. Let them tax the foods of the stupid. Let them prind RDAs and warnings all over the box, it won't affect people who eat actual food.
BTW if you like seeing where rigteousness leads check out this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197704/Protester-storms-Trafalgar-Square-plinth-moments-Gormley-exhibition-gets-underway.

I hope this guy is lonely. In fact I hope they are all fucking lonely.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 02:45 (UTC)
I pride myself on being disgustingly variant. The more tight hair buns get tighter, the better. Cuts off circulation to the remnant of their brain.

The righteous link is, shall we say, 'as expected'. It's reached the point where the BBC say 'an unidentified man' and sixty million peole say 'Oh right, a black man'.

In their efforts not to identify race (unless it's white British) they make race really clear.

Backfire. The hallmark of the Righteous.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 09:53 (UTC)
Banwatching
Unrelated to the matter at hand, but likely of interest:

Some single-issue bansturbator (Devon mother Cheryl Higgs, whose children attended Little Ted’s, the nursery which is now the focus of a police investigation) wants a law against camera phones in nurseries.

Her stupid, dangerous website: http://www.nocameraphones.org/

Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/03/mobile_phone_nurseries/
[info]leg_iron wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 02:47 (UTC)
Re: Banwatching
Right. She thinks you can abuse kids with a phone. When most of those kids have the same or better phones.

This woman is deranged beyond help. Euthanasia, bring it on.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 10:59 (UTC)
Precisely. Having 3 Big Mac meals a day will cost you what? £13 a day? Three tins of beans a day and a loaf of bread and you have low fat, balanced meals of carbs, protein and fibre for less than a couple of quid. And convenient? Toaster and pan + 4 minutes. Tuna sandwiches - ditto. Bowl of porridge in the morning - 50p, healthy, quick and convenient.

You're exactly right - it's not a matter of "poverty" - it's a matter of being lazy and stupid. Still, this Government encourages lazy and stupid at the expense of personal responsibility or else where would they get their votes?

And we all have to pay in loss of civil liberties. These healthists need to be put back in their box. Did we really get a "Level 2 Health Warning" last week because we had a few hot days. In July?

Sack them all.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 12:20 (UTC)
You are absolutely correct on this. Second hand cookery books.Forget it! they can't read. They can't weigh the ingredients they are the third of forth generation of misfits that cannot parent in anywhere near an adequate manner. You see them in the town centre. Fat, fat girls with blank eyed toddlers drinking coke in baby bottles and eating chips. It's a hopeless circle of abuse / ignorance.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 02:55 (UTC)
You know what's terrible?

I know a couple who are as bright as a five-watt-bulb with a charcoal coating. Nice people but no intelligence.

They have a kid. He's lively and interested in the world around him and has the potential to do well enough so his dim parents will be looked after in their old age.

What would you do in their place?

What they are doing is keeping the kid under control. He is a threat to their World of Dimness and Benefits. If he is not Dim then he won't qualify for the Stupid Benefit.

Labour have created a very nasty world indeed.

Bring on the power cuts. Then the real game will start.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 17:15 (UTC)
IIRC Jamie Oliver did a series on trying to get a town to eat healthier. The people that tried buying ingredients and cooking them found it was cheaper, tastier and not as difficult as they thought it would be.

How much money are we throwing at scroungers on the misguided belief that they have to afford to eat like kings? As has been detailed, cheap nutritious meals are a doddle. Beans on toast. Scrambled eggs.* Potatoes.* Eat fruit!

Politicians steal our money to indulge their pets. There was a BBC series called 'You're killing your kids' or something like that, where parents were rearing lardball children because they never said no. The State has positioned itself as the third (or second) parent in many families and it is doing exactly the same.

* I guess the British Potato council and the Egg Marketing Board (or whatever it is called now) can't be doing much of a good job.
(Anonymous) wrote:
6th Jul, 2009 23:02 (UTC)
Mr Iron,

Have a look at this-

http://tinyurl.com/krgewk

Rab C.
[info]leg_iron wrote:
7th Jul, 2009 02:59 (UTC)
Aha. Seems I am one of you by default.

Perhaps I should make it official.
(Anonymous) wrote:
8th Jul, 2009 09:14 (UTC)
"The funny thing is, I can use a cooker but I have no clue how to build one."

Ha! Very good post.
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